Grateful Dead Live at St. Paul Civic Center on 1981-07-10
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- Grateful Dead
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Behind (Stage) Nak 300/cp1>Cm>Cass>Dat>CD; via Charlie Miller; Seeded to etree by Willy
- 2004-04-26 11:46:51
- Behind (Stage) Nak 300/cp1>Cm>Cass>Dat>CD
- St. Paul, MN
- St. Paul Civic Center
Subject: Great sound
Subject: St.Paul 81'
Subject: from texas to minnesota......
Subject: Not So Great Until.. The End of Eyes
I think not in my opinion.
I was there; saw 29 shows in 1981.
This night was incredibly average until the end of Eyes when Jerry caught a spark
& ran with it into the drums.
A major classic for sure, except when Bob jumps all over the end of Playin' & gipped us out of The Wheel (if you understood Wheel/China Doll dynamics in 80/81 you'd know this is what happened).
But, that's the only reason we got Casey Jones too.
Set 1 - Sugaree, Cassidy, and the mini-grenade Let it Grow lead the charge in a well-played set. Nothing for want here - to anyone below who thinks this show "lacks energy" - really, check out that Let it Grow one more time!
Set 2 - pre-drums is pretty good, yo, but post-Space is where you want to be - see that UJB > Playin' 'wich? Yep, it ain't no '73, but they're so tight and on it you'll be all right - remember, this show does total three hours, despite the relative lack of super-long jams. I actually think that Good Lovin', so steady and smooth, works as well as anything here! Bobby, yes, was at times total dork in '81-'82, but he's admirably restrained here and sticks to his guns.
*As another pointed out on the 2nd Miller board source, here is the link to that fun Jerry "interview" from that afternoon, but it's really just a bunch of starry-eyed 'heads smoking Jerry out and asking some inane questions that really answer themselves. Still, it's irresistible for at least ONE go-round: http://archive.org/details/jg1981-07-10-Interview.shnf
*Also, the weinberg aud here seems to fill in some of the missing D > S jam stuff - there is a fine 8+ minute jazzy thing that emerges which, when complete, sounds great and can be paired alongside this board with no trouble. If you're uptight about those kinds of things :)
Subject: Excellent B.T.S. AUD Recording. Average Show.
Nice job of recording Mr. Steinthal. Thanks... and always like a good story too.
Thanks to Kelly for driving the late shift.
Subject: It's not 1973 and that's OK
Great job on the AUD recording. It sounds far better than any typical tapers' pit job from any standard arena in the mid 80s.
Subject: The Bus Came By And I Got On...At This Show!
The second set is truly extraordinary, and from Estimated on, it is indeed ON!This is a really nice recording and an upgrade from what I've had for nearly 30 years now. My brother Steve brought me to this show when I was 15, and my life changed forever. The first of my 60 shows. Enjoy!
Subject: great 2nd set
Subject: Nice air conditioning
1st set highlights:
Loser, CC.Rider and Let it Grow
2nd set highlights: ALL
Subject: Uncle John's Band-> Playin' In The Band-> China Doll-> Uncle John's Band-> Playin' In The Band
Subject: tapers & fireworks
Subject: Good by Mama and Papa
I keep discovering new old shows, this one is a keeper
Subject: Outstanding Show, Outstanding Recording
Subject: Another great Summer '81 show!
The Samson, Althea is nice but after Prophet starts, all bets are off! The real special part is the China doll in the middle of the Uncle John's > Playin sandwich, Just Great stuff!!
Subject: Casey really works for me
My fellow Deadhead from down the hall during my freshman year had shown up at my house not far from St. Louis a couple of days prior so we could finally catch a show together after many late nights raving and drooling (if I may invoke a Pink Floyd epithet there) for nine months in Carbondale, munching on psychedelics and grokking on tapes.
The show at the Kiel left a smoking crater of our minds. We then drove north.
Unfortunately, I was an idiot. That's because I had also spent the past nine months foolishly chasing a woman who as flighty and unpredictable as she was beautiful. And she WAS beautiful. Like a complete asshole, I had fallen: head, heels, the whole nine yards. And the only reason I got into that car with them in the first place was to hitch a ride to Chicago so that I could go way out to where she was living-with the her parents for the summer-and hopelessly moon over her. At one point during my visit, she even gave me the "I'd really just like to be friends" speech. Egads! I cringe just thinking about the whole embarrassing episode.
It was one of the worst decisions I ever made in my life.
Back in Carbondale the next school year, it was made very clear to me that I shoulda just stayed in the car on gone on to St. Paul:
"So, what did I miss?"
"Opened with Jack Straw. After drums they did Space>Uncle John's Band>Playin In The Band>China Doll>Uncle John's Band>Playin In The Band>Around & Around>Good Lovin' and encored with Casey Jones."
This is the first time I've ever heard it. Ouch, indeed.
Casey Jones, which had been a constant staple for the first few years after it was first written, was, at this point in their tenure, pretty much a rare ingredient that was only thrown into the recipe on those occasions when they were feeling particularly rambunctious. The recording here is crisp and satisfying for an audience tape. I had always wanted to hear this performance, and it lived up to my expectations.
By the way, thanks so much to whomever has compiled this archive. This is wonderful.
Subject: One of My Favs UPDATE: Still Rocks
ORIGINAL REVIEW: After reading some of the luke warm reviews offered here I thought I would offer my own personal take on this show. I used to have a crappy audience recording of this show on an even crappier tape and I played that sucker to death. I have never heard the first set so I won't comment but I have always loved the second set and consider the lil' jam out of Eyes into drums a must listen - it is truly inspired. I have been to about 100 shows almost all mid-eighties but in the end all I can say is my review is worth exactly what it cost you. Oh the space UJB-Playin back and forth with china doll wrapped in the middle and ending with Good Lovin into a Casey Jones encore is totally awesome - I have always loved this show and I am totally pysched to download this show. You should be too.
Subject: Nice Surprise 1981 barnburner
Subject: Interesting Aud
Subject: Worth it for the Sugaree alone!
Subject: One of the best
Subject: My Favorite Show I Saw
The whole second set (except Althea) is really great.
When I bought the tickets to the show, months prior, I told everyone that they were going to do Casey Jones. They all scoffed at me! But there it was. I screamed pretty loud at that point.
Subject: sounds impressive
I have a fob neuman on dat and it sounds pretty nice, but this might take it.
Subject: My first show - it made me a Dead Head
Subject: A rarity
Subject: A message from the taper himself.
The summer tour was nearing an end, we were exhausted, and we had done yet another really long hike, this time to St Paul. Being inside the temperature controlled Civic Center was cool and refreshing. The music added to and then took over the refreshing environment restoring us and reminding us that fun was the principle reason we made the effort to be out there. This show felt different compared to the rest of the tour.
I want to state clearly I hand held the mics while sitting behind the stage. Here's what went down....
Upon entering the hall a few minutes later then hoped, I saw fellow touring tapers on the floor already getting set-up. As I rushed to get to my floor seats, I saw the venue security approach the tapers. Keep in mind, 7/81 was still years before there was a taper section. At that point, I stopped, witnessed the bust and with little time left before the show, reassessed what I would do.
I looked around the Civic Center and to my amazement, very high up, there was a large PA set-up to serve the behind the stage audience. If you think of a hockey rink, the stage was set-up over a goal carving deeply into the lower level seating behind the goal, allowing for the largest possible floor area in front of the stage. The remaining seats behind the stage, were middle and upper level, steeply inclined as it was the end of the floor.
I went back there and sat 15' from the stack, level with it, and hoped for the best. It was quite loud. There was not much audience nearby, as the seats gave a severely limited view.
Well the tape speaks for itself, 23 years later, I still like it and the show. A the lesson learned from this taper's point of view is that "FOB-DFC" is not always the only place to be. That said, FOB-DFC is often a great place to be.
Subject: Lacking energy
Subject: Great Recording....
Subject: cool (almost) palindrome
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